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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 17:53:29 GMT -5
They still could have changed it. ;D I doubt it, God chose the right people to do this task. He wouldn't pick some random person off the street.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 17:57:00 GMT -5
They still could have changed it. ;D I doubt it, God chose the right people to do this task. He wouldn't pick some random person off the street. My old church told me that God could pick any random person off the street. XD
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Post by SkullFarmer on Feb 15, 2007 17:57:53 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, why do you think christians don't think out of the box?
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 17:58:10 GMT -5
I doubt it, God chose the right people to do this task. He wouldn't pick some random person off the street. My old church told me that God could pick any random person off the street. XD Keyword: could
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 17:59:23 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, why do you think christians don't think out of the box? Because for some, not all, Christians, it is very hard to try to understand some things outside of their own religion.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:00:03 GMT -5
My old church told me that God could pick any random person off the street. XD Keyword: couldThe word might as well be "would". Doesn't matter.
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 18:01:58 GMT -5
The word might as well be "would". Doesn't matter. Oh well, there's no use persuading you. /
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:03:48 GMT -5
The word might as well be "would". Doesn't matter. Oh well, there's no use persuading you. / What were you trying to persuade me to?
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Post by SkullFarmer on Feb 15, 2007 18:03:49 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, why do you think christians don't think out of the box? Because for some, not all, Christians, it is very hard to try to understand some things outside of their own religion. Aha but Christians (good ones) actually read the book that they are pledging their lives to and then decide if it's true or not. It's been my experience that athiests and agnostics dismiss it all without being familiar with what's inside of it (it being a religious text). How can you criticize, say, a Christian's inability to think outside the box when you yourself aren't aware of the confines of said box? **ps, I'm not picking on you... I just want you to reconsider your point a little.
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 18:04:12 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, why do you think christians don't think out of the box? (Didn't see your post) So many people think it's not possible for all of this to happen.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:05:33 GMT -5
Because for some, not all, Christians, it is very hard to try to understand some things outside of their own religion. Aha but Christians (good ones) actually read the book that they are pledging their lives to and then decide if it's true or not. It's been my experience that athiests and agnostics dismiss it all without being familiar with what's inside of it. How can you criticize, say, a Christian's inability to think outside the box when you yourself aren't aware of the confines of said box? **ps, I'm not picking on you... I just want you to reconsider your point a little. Oh well, I suppose you have a point. I don't even know why I made this thread. It was obviously a deathtrap in my own favor.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:06:52 GMT -5
I'm going to stop talking about it. No, not because I'm chickening out, because I don't have any back-up whereas the Christians have a lot.
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 18:09:29 GMT -5
I'm going to stop talking about it. No, not because I'm chickening out, because I don't have any back-up whereas the Christians have a lot. Yeah. And Evolution is only a Theory. And Christianity may be a theory too, but why choose the Scientific way just because the other doesn't seem believeable?
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Post by SkullFarmer on Feb 15, 2007 18:11:01 GMT -5
Oh well, I suppose you have a point. I don't even know why I made this thread. It was obviously a deathtrap in my own favor. It's a good thread. I have to admit that I spent many years as an agnostic and even some time as an atheist. The more I understand the world around me though the more it forces me to analyze my own beliefs. I know right where you are, I've been there. Take your time and think things through. You'll arrive at where you need to be as long as you never accept anything just because someone told you so. You're right to question.. just also seek answers.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:11:05 GMT -5
I'm going to stop talking about it. No, not because I'm chickening out, because I don't have any back-up whereas the Christians have a lot. Yeah. And Evolution is only a Theory. And Christianity may be a theory too, but why choose the Scientific way just because the other doesn't seem believeable? Don't egg me on. XD
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 18:11:40 GMT -5
Yeah. And Evolution is only a Theory. And Christianity may be a theory too, but why choose the Scientific way just because the other doesn't seem believeable? Don't egg me on. XD Sorry, I just had to say that. I'll let you decide what you believe in.
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Post by SkullFarmer on Feb 15, 2007 18:12:24 GMT -5
I'm going to stop talking about it. No, not because I'm chickening out, because I don't have any back-up whereas the Christians have a lot. You don't need backup. If you do, I'll back you up. Just be willing to bend and I will to.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:13:39 GMT -5
I'll continue my quest as a "religious philosopher", if you will. XD
But who knows, maybe I will be a Christian one day. I have considered some of their points.
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Post by SkullFarmer on Feb 15, 2007 18:17:56 GMT -5
Yeah. And Evolution is only a Theory. And Christianity may be a theory too, but why choose the Scientific way just because the other doesn't seem believeable? Evolution goes beyond theory because the fossil record backs it up with regard to the animal kingdom. It's certifiable fact that animals evolve. HUMAN evolution, however, is seriously lacking in fact because the fossil record does not yet support humans evolving from anything, not apes, not cavemen (neanderthal). In fact, DNA testing shows that modern man doesn't share matching DNA with neanderthals. Therein lies the problem, the question of all questions. Where did we come from? A serious evolutionist wouldn't dare answer that question.
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 18:20:04 GMT -5
I'll continue my quest as a "religious philosopher", if you will. XD But who knows, maybe I will be a Christian one day. I have considered some of their points. C.S. Lewis was like you. (Kinda.) His Mom died when he was 7, and His wife died later in his life. But he came back to Christianity. And I hope you do too.
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Post by SkullFarmer on Feb 15, 2007 18:20:07 GMT -5
I'll continue my quest as a "religious philosopher", if you will. XD But who knows, maybe I will be a Christian one day. I have considered some of their points. If you remove all religion from the conversation and simply read what Christ had to say you'd be well off whether or not you believe he's the son of God.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:21:15 GMT -5
I believe humans started out as some sort of aquatic creature because there were probably humans spread out all over the world. I do not believe in the story of Adam and Eve, at all.
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 18:22:11 GMT -5
I believe humans started out as some sort of aquatic creature because there were probably humans spread out all over the world. I do not believe in the story of Adam and Eve, at all. It is hard to believe... But I believe it. ;D
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Post by SkullFarmer on Feb 15, 2007 18:22:59 GMT -5
Where did the aquatic creatures come from?
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:24:21 GMT -5
I believe humans started out as some sort of aquatic creature because there were probably humans spread out all over the world. I do not believe in the story of Adam and Eve, at all. It is hard to believe... But I believe it. ;D The Story of Adam and Eve is the biggest reason I became Agnostic, and the thing I do not like the most in the bible.
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 18:25:26 GMT -5
It is hard to believe... But I believe it. ;D The Story of Adam and Eve is the biggest reason I became Agnostic, and the thing I do not like the most in the bible. I'm gonna read over that part and see what else it says about that story.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:27:44 GMT -5
Where did the aquatic creatures come from? Don't know. I had another theory that I want you people to read. God made a bunch of planets testing to make the Earth we have today. He tried putting humans on the other planets and did not succeed. But he made a planet called "Earth" which was correct, meaning all variables, air pressures, water pressures, were correct and able to finally host human life.
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Post by SkullFarmer on Feb 15, 2007 18:27:53 GMT -5
Just bear in mind that the old testament was a translation and that things may have been lost and/or changed a bit in that transaltion. It is a tough pill to swallow as it suggests that people were fundamentally different than they are now (i.e they lived 900+ years etc).
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Post by Kocrspinal on Feb 15, 2007 18:28:51 GMT -5
Just bear in mind that the old testament was a translation and that things may have been lost and/or changed a bit in that transaltion. It is a tough pill to swallow as it suggests that people were fundamentally different than they are now (i.e they lived 900+ years etc). Yeah, 1 little mistake can make a big change.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Feb 15, 2007 18:31:28 GMT -5
Yep. One day I went very into thought (as I know Evan does) and thought of something odd. What if I buried something that said something very fake and unbelievable about where we came from in my backyard. And 10,000 years later, it was dug up and translated. I'm sure it would change A LOT about religion.
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