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Post by minimcbeef on May 15, 2007 16:46:36 GMT -5
I know, but I won't tell. Liar. Oh really? You told me! Geez... *PM's*
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Post by Toasty4you on May 15, 2007 17:21:35 GMT -5
We are animals, but we are more than animals because we have a power of understanding, and our minds are meaningful. Other animals are just materials. We have souls. Even the stupid ones. They at least have potential. an·i·mal Spelled Pronunciation[an-uh-muhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli: some classification schemes also include protozoa and certain other single-celled eukaryotes that have motility and animallike nutritional modes. 2. any such living thing other than a human being. 3. a mammal, as opposed to a fish, bird, etc. 4. the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of human beings; animality: the animal in every person. 5. an inhuman person; brutish or beastlike person: She married an animal. 6. thing: A perfect job? Is there any such animal? –adjective 7. of, pertaining to, or derived from animals: animal instincts; animal fats. 8. pertaining to the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of humans, rather than their spiritual or intellectual nature: animal needs. dictionary.reference.com/browse/animal I don't know what to say.
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Post by Trogdor on May 15, 2007 20:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by Toasty4you on May 16, 2007 19:16:35 GMT -5
Somehow I knew what that link was without even clicking it.
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Post by Kirei on May 16, 2007 19:36:30 GMT -5
Somehow I knew what that link was without even clicking it. That literally made me LOL! ----------------- an·i·mal Spelled Pronunciation[an-uh-muhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli: some classification schemes also include protozoa and certain other single-celled eukaryotes that have motility and animallike nutritional modes. 2. any such living thing other than a human being. 3. a mammal, as opposed to a fish, bird, etc. 4. the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of human beings; animality: the animal in every person. 5. an inhuman person; brutish or beastlike person: She married an animal. 6. thing: A perfect job? Is there any such animal? –adjective 7. of, pertaining to, or derived from animals: animal instincts; animal fats. 8. pertaining to the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of humans, rather than their spiritual or intellectual nature: animal needs. dictionary.reference.com/browse/animal ^^ we qualify for number 3, but not for number 2. So depending on which definition you use, you could turn the argument either way. In my own personal opinion, humans are a lot more animal like than we realize. For instance, we like grouping together in numbers.. or shall I say.. "packs" [wolfs], "prides"[lions], "mustards"[peacocks], and.. I forget what a group of chimpanzees are called. But what is also a curious thing, is that how even now 'animals' such as chimpanzees are starting to re-adapt and become gentler and less violent, which is what humans have become over the ages. Strange, eh? And yet another observation.. SkullFarmer has successfully distracted us from any other guesses to his true identity and steered us straight into human logic. Whether this was intentional of him or not, I don't know. But just something I wanted to point out. (possibility he didn't want us guess? or to act like idiots like we normally do? Or to just use another one of his insanely genius posts that make our brains throb after reading them. Lastly.. am I just over complicating things? ..I'm making WAYYY more questions then answers here. But isn't that what the world is all about.. [desu ne]
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Post by Trogdor on May 16, 2007 20:07:50 GMT -5
ACK!! A long thing of text!!
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Post by Gleasonator on May 16, 2007 20:33:00 GMT -5
We are animals, but we are more than animals because we have a power of understanding, and our minds are meaningful. Other animals are just materials. We have souls. Even the stupid ones. They at least have potential. an·i·mal Spelled Pronunciation[an-uh-muhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli: some classification schemes also include protozoa and certain other single-celled eukaryotes that have motility and animallike nutritional modes. 2. any such living thing other than a human being. 3. a mammal, as opposed to a fish, bird, etc. 4. the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of human beings; animality: the animal in every person. 5. an inhuman person; brutish or beastlike person: She married an animal. 6. thing: A perfect job? Is there any such animal? –adjective 7. of, pertaining to, or derived from animals: animal instincts; animal fats. 8. pertaining to the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of humans, rather than their spiritual or intellectual nature: animal needs. dictionary.reference.com/browse/animal Here's a PM I wrote:
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Post by Trogdor on May 16, 2007 20:42:30 GMT -5
Skull farmer got owned.
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Post by SkullFarmer on May 16, 2007 22:18:16 GMT -5
Nice try Alex, really.
What you've posted are the minimal criteria for being identified as a 'mammal'. Yes, one cannot argue that humans meet that basic criteria. HOWEVER, my argument is that humankind is so far above the base line that we get our own classification, and our own definition.
You all are trying to reduce humanity to its lowest common denominator to make it fit the definition of the baseline. Just because you have some coco paste and some hardened sugar and some yellow dye#5 and you mix that up it doesn't mean you have a bag of M&M's.
Besides, all of science is subjective. It is all contingent upon things that we think we know. You all cannot reduce humankind to it's lowest common denominator because you have no idea what that means (neither do I, neither do all of the world's most brilliant scientific minds) as we have no idea what exists at the atomic level much less the subatomic level.
Think about it.
Oh yeah, I, on the other hand can elevate humankind above the baseline because the evidence exists within your eyesight, all around you as you read this.
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Post by SkullFarmer on May 16, 2007 22:27:08 GMT -5
In my own personal opinion, humans are a lot more animal like than we realize. For instance, we like grouping together in numbers.. or shall I say.. "packs" [wolfs], "prides"[lions], "mustards"[peacocks], and.. I forget what a group of chimpanzees are called. And which of any of those are capable of producing grand works of art like the ceiling of the sistine chapel, or capable of sending their own into orbit, or capable of logic and reason and quelling instinct in favor of thought? Which animal is master of his/her emotions? See above post. (Hello, by the way, haven't spoken to you in quite some time).
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Post by SkullFarmer on May 16, 2007 22:29:59 GMT -5
..I'm making WAYYY more questions then answers here. But isn't that what the world is all about.. [desu ne] Quite so. For every answer 10 questions lie in wait. Sorry for the triple post. As for my identity, I am smoke, I am Legion I am a knave with a foot in the grave. I am a mist, I am a dream I am, after all, the Emperor of Ice Cream
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Post by Toasty4you on May 17, 2007 8:17:45 GMT -5
A knave? Wow, never heard that word before.
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Post by SkullFarmer on May 17, 2007 9:18:13 GMT -5
Your medieval history is lacking, sir. knave /neɪv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[neyv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. an unprincipled, untrustworthy, or dishonest person. 2. Cards. jack1 (def. 2). 3. Archaic. a. a male servant. b. a man of humble position. That is the definition I meant to imply, not the others, for I am neither unprincipled nor untrustworthy or dishonest! ;D
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Post by Salty on May 17, 2007 13:22:36 GMT -5
Ha! I knew what a knave was! *dances in a circle* Yeah, what Nat Nat said was kinda what I was trying to say, only hers was a lot clearer.
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Post by Toasty4you on May 17, 2007 16:39:24 GMT -5
Your medieval history is lacking, sir. knave /neɪv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[neyv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. an unprincipled, untrustworthy, or dishonest person. 2. Cards. jack1 (def. 2). 3. Archaic. a. a male servant. b. a man of humble position. That is the definition I meant to imply, not the others, for I am neither unprincipled nor untrustworthy or dishonest! ;D *Toasty's intelligence increased +1*
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Post by Kirei on May 17, 2007 18:51:39 GMT -5
*Toasty's intelligence increased +1* Haha! You guys are so fun to talk to.. ----------------------- SkullFarmer has brought up enlightening points to which I had not yet brought into consideration. Yes, if we break down humans to their basic (caveman-like form) we have an "animal" (so to speak), but otherwise, humans do have a much more organized thought process (that is... if we choose to use our miraculous gift of knowledge..). But I stick with what I said, humans relate more to animals than we realize. Combining both theories, I think that because of mankind's advances we have bent our natural behavior, but we still have it. (Like bending pipes, you start out with basic one, but you can turn it into something maze-like and complex, but underneath it all--it is still a pipe.) [nifty simile, -eh?] So what was once "living in packs" becomes the urge to hang out with friends, and to not always want to be all by yourself. This gets exciting 'cause it relates so much to Lord of the Flies!! (if you have read this book, I really don't need to point everything it relates to out) Right now I can't think of much more to add, so I think I'll just see what you have to say about this. (why only 10 questions for one answer? I bet I coulda' came up with more.. ) (Konichiwa, it has been a long time since we talked! And let me say, it is an honor to be having a debate of theories with you~. -- Salty tells me all about them~)
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Post by Trogdor on May 17, 2007 20:13:58 GMT -5
*Sigh* Meh whats the point?
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Post by SkullFarmer on May 17, 2007 22:10:08 GMT -5
Combining both theories, I think that because of mankind's advances we have bent our natural behavior, but we still have it. (Like bending pipes, you start out with basic one, but you can turn it into something maze-like and complex, but underneath it all--it is still a pipe.) [nifty simile, -eh?] So what was once "living in packs" becomes the urge to hang out with friends, and to not always want to be all by yourself. This gets exciting 'cause it relates so much to Lord of the Flies!! (if you have read this book, I really don't need to point everything it relates to out) You're assuming that evolutionary theory is correct and that modern man started as something lesser than he/she is today. The mind blowing aspect of this discussion is that modern man simply appears on the fossil record approximately 120 thousand years ago. We have remains of 'cave' men and remains of 'cro magnon' (us) with not a trace to link us to them. In fact, DNA testing shows the opposite. Neanderthal man is not the progenitor of cro magnon man and, according to Darwin, the 'missing link' cannot exist because it would take millions of years for neanderthal to evolve into cromagnon (which couldn't have happened) so there wouldn't be a missing link but rather a multitude of missing civilizations without cromagnon and neanderthal bones carbon dated to the same age. Evolutionary theory is plausible in some cases, but not in man on our current scientific horizon. ( And let me say, it is an honor to be having a debate of theories with you~. -- Salty tells me all about them~) Et tu mon ami. Troggy, it is important. Don't you want to know why scientists are now, more than ever, embracing the idea of God? One reason, right above.
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Post by Trogdor on May 17, 2007 22:13:00 GMT -5
No thats not I was talking about.
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Post by Salty on May 18, 2007 11:45:51 GMT -5
Skullfarmer, you have to tell what this means: Et tu mon ami. I'm not THAT smart!!!!
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Post by Kirei on May 18, 2007 14:52:11 GMT -5
awh crumbs.. I posted something earlier and I don't think it showed up! nana karobi ya oki desu yo!
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Post by theunknownranger on May 18, 2007 22:05:31 GMT -5
Et tu mon ami? do you mean "Et toi mon ami" skullfarmer? if so that means and you my (male) friend. i believe thats what he means. if you read this skullfarmer, please let me know if it was.
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Post by odd odd on May 18, 2007 22:15:16 GMT -5
Et tu mon ami? do you mean "Et toi mon ami" skullfarmer? if so that means and you my (male) friend. i believe thats what he means. if you read this skullfarmer, please let me know if it was. Sounded more like he was speaking a combination of Spanish and French - tú, in spanish, means, "you".
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Post by Salty on May 21, 2007 8:32:11 GMT -5
No, it is all french.
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Post by Hades of Nothingness on May 22, 2007 7:56:36 GMT -5
Skullfarmer, you have to tell what this means: Et tu mon ami. I'm not THAT smart!!!! babelfish.altavista.com/Agora, coisas stupid afixando do batente sobre como você não pode o compreender. Et tu mon ami? do you mean "Et toi mon ami" skullfarmer? if so that means and you my (male) friend. i believe thats what he means. if you read this skullfarmer, please let me know if it was. Sounded more like he was speaking a combination of Spanish and French - tú, in spanish, means, "you". All of these languages come from latin. There will be similarities.
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Post by SkullFarmer on May 22, 2007 12:51:58 GMT -5
You guys crack me up.
it was an OLD reference from the old Batman/Dark Knight comics of my youth (LONG ago). Joker said it a few times when he meant "and you, my friend".
I just never forgot it.
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Post by minimcbeef on May 22, 2007 12:52:36 GMT -5
CoughcoughIPOSTEDTHATFIRSTcoughcough. Um... Well, this is turning into a dictionary... Maybe back on topic? Skully is... JESUS CHRIST!
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Post by SkullFarmer on May 22, 2007 13:02:37 GMT -5
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Post by Kirei on May 22, 2007 14:44:20 GMT -5
You guys crack me up. it was an OLD reference from the old Batman/Dark Knight comics of my youth (LONG ago). Joker said it a few times when he meant "and you, my friend". I just never forgot it. Omigosh, I remember watching this really old batman movie and I just LOVED the joker! He was so awesome! Batman fired all these shots at him and missed, then the joker whips out this huge gun, pulls the trigger and "BANG!"..comes out of it on a white flag That's what I guessed the saying ment when salty came up with "ami" meaning "friend", I can't believe how close I got on the mark.. anyway~ jolly good show! We managed to go off on another rant on something so simple -- that was fun to watch.
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Post by Salty on May 22, 2007 14:50:02 GMT -5
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