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Post by Toasty4you on Apr 30, 2007 18:19:30 GMT -5
Uhm, well, there's a new book out by Jerry Jenkins (author of the Left Behind series). It's set in the near future, and Christianity is declared illegal. Christians have to hide out while tons of people are hunting for them, murdering all Christians that they find. Christians are despised, but they are trying to find a way to make it out without being killed. They also don't want to fight, but when they do, it's for defense - last resort. My dad loves that author! He read all of the Left Behind books that he borrowed from my piano teacher.
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Post by TheYellowStain on Apr 30, 2007 18:40:50 GMT -5
Uhm, well, there's a new book out by Jerry Jenkins (author of the Left Behind series). It's set in the near future, and Christianity is declared illegal. Christians have to hide out while tons of people are hunting for them, murdering all Christians that they find. Christians are despised, but they are trying to find a way to make it out without being killed. They also don't want to fight, but when they do, it's for defense - last resort. Well defense would be a given, but cant God just use his so called Powers like at Egypt or floods or creating people? Elaborate, I don't see what you mean... how could any of that help in killing? instead of christians killing, cant God just kill them? with his "powers"
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Post by Toasty4you on Apr 30, 2007 18:43:44 GMT -5
Uhm, well, there's a new book out by Jerry Jenkins (author of the Left Behind series). It's set in the near future, and Christianity is declared illegal. Christians have to hide out while tons of people are hunting for them, murdering all Christians that they find. Christians are despised, but they are trying to find a way to make it out without being killed. They also don't want to fight, but when they do, it's for defense - last resort. Elaborate, I don't see what you mean... how could any of that help in killing? instead of christians killing, cant God just kill them? with his "powers" God works through us sometimes.
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Post by TheYellowStain on Apr 30, 2007 18:44:58 GMT -5
works through? taht would mean....?
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Post by Toasty4you on Apr 30, 2007 18:46:18 GMT -5
works through? taht would mean....? OK, God works through Christians sometimes to get what needs to be done. For example, He works through pastors to spread the word of God.
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Post by odd odd on Apr 30, 2007 18:59:15 GMT -5
You don't understand it: God loves all of us, whether or not we believe in Him. I mean, he's sad when people don't believe in him, but he still loves those people. He wouldn't just come down and murder us because we don't believe in Him, if there's still hope for us.
God can easily kill, for example there's the Great Flood. You know, Noah's Ark? God starting anew with the world, because the world had become so horrible.
xD I'm not sure that's a good example, though. He does work through us, but not for murder. We don't wake up one day and say, "I'm going to kill every seventh grader at my school, because God told me to." That's crazy, because we aren't supposed to murder. But for self-defense, I can see how that statement works. Protecting us.
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Post by TheYellowStain on Apr 30, 2007 20:23:13 GMT -5
yea.. thats the problems with religions, back then everyone was easily amazed, so if some one did something "amazing" the story will get different and more grand over the years.. and the teachings and thoughts back then are questioned now-a-days with so many conflicting ideas, that people never questioned before. some acts are just imposible and dont make any sense with today's science and technology. for example, take Moses and he plagues on Egypt.
I saw it on history channel...
first plague river of blood....the Nile flows north right?so south of Egypt is Ethiopeia, rich in red color dirt(resulted from iron) which washes into the Nile in a huge storm.
second plague frogs....the frogs ransacked the town but died the next day. the frogs were a result of the foul water, and invaded the town. they died because frog need moisture, and in Egypt, the sun is hell there they shriveld and died
third ,fourth plague lice, flies were about because of the dead frogs. the corpses were food for maggots and larvae which hatched and really annoid some peeps.
fifth plague cattle death...back to the red water, their was no fresh water for the cows, so they die..the people must have had stored water in wells, jugs, etc. but not enough for the cattle.
sixth plague sores...the dead cattle spread disease...easy one
seventh hail and fire... the storm to the south moved into Egypt, climate change-hail lighting-fire
so you get the picture? i mean religions teach good moral values, but should lead people to kill each other. and everything can be roven logically
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Post by Toasty4you on Apr 30, 2007 20:51:09 GMT -5
yea.. thats the problems with religions, back then everyone was easily amazed, so if some one did something "amazing" the story will get different and more grand over the years.. and the teachings and thoughts back then are questioned now-a-days with so many conflicting ideas, that people never questioned before. some acts are just imposible and dont make any sense with today's science and technology. for example, take Moses and he plagues on Egypt. I saw it on history channel... first plague river of blood....the Nile flows north right?so south of Egypt is Ethiopeia, rich in red color dirt(resulted from iron) which washes into the Nile in a huge storm. second plague frogs....the frogs ransacked the town but died the next day. the frogs were a result of the foul water, and invaded the town. they died because frog need moisture, and in Egypt, the sun is hell there they shriveld and died third ,fourth plague lice, flies were about because of the dead frogs. the corpses were food for maggots and larvae which hatched and really annoid some peeps. fifth plague cattle death...back to the red water, their was no fresh water for the cows, so they die..the people must have had stored water in wells, jugs, etc. but not enough for the cattle. sixth plague sores...the dead cattle spread disease...easy one seventh hail and fire... the storm to the south moved into Egypt, climate change-hail lighting-fire so you get the picture? i mean religions teach good moral values, but should lead people to kill each other. and everything can be roven logically Sorry Justin, but I believe that God (who wrote the Bible) would be smarter then anyone who works on any TV station.
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Post by Trogdor on Apr 30, 2007 21:56:06 GMT -5
THANK YOU JACKIE!!! No sarcasim.
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Post by SkullFarmer on May 1, 2007 15:13:21 GMT -5
Wha? I meant like when there's alot of drama you make me laugh. As in a good way. I know that. I was complimenting you all on your increasing debating skills, you in particular. Oh and not many things can be 'logically proven' to a fault because we have yet to establish a baseline for reality. Think about it.
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Post by Trogdor on May 1, 2007 16:31:21 GMT -5
If Justin was right, then why is Christianity the worlds leading religion?
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on May 1, 2007 16:40:44 GMT -5
God can easily kill, for example there's the Great Flood. You know, Noah's Ark? God starting anew with the world, because the world had become so horrible. "Thou shalt not kill."
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Post by TheYellowStain on May 1, 2007 16:56:13 GMT -5
If Justin was right, then why is Christianity the worlds leading religion? uhh..thats because most jews in Europe were killed...hitler!!!! it was the first religion...Christianity is the second...but the Romans backed Christianity up with military power, and totaly pwnd other faiths. Then, as the Romans invade Europe and stuff, they spread the religion. And then Europe invade america and stuff, then other cultures fell into peer pressure and joined, and Christianity has many protestent branches to choose from other then Catholic.
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Post by odd odd on May 1, 2007 17:03:23 GMT -5
"God of Wrath." It was horrible in the sense that people had become terribly wicked, cruel beings. They were way worse than what the evil that consists at the present. Genesis 6:5 (NLT) says... "Now the Lord observed the extent of the people's wickedness and he saw that all their thoughts were consistently and totally evil."But Noah was still faithful to the Lord, and God was merciful to him. So he instructed Noah to build the ark, and Noah obeyed.
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Post by Trogdor on May 1, 2007 17:05:05 GMT -5
God can easily kill, for example there's the Great Flood. You know, Noah's Ark? God starting anew with the world, because the world had become so horrible. "Thou shalt not kill." Genesis 8:21 "And the Lord was pleased with the sacrifice and said to himself "I will never again curse the earth, destroying all living things, even though peoples thoughts and actions are bent towards evil from childhood."
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Post by TheYellowStain on May 1, 2007 17:08:39 GMT -5
So God really hates himself for promising that now?
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Post by odd odd on May 1, 2007 17:14:35 GMT -5
So God really hates himself for promising that now? ... no... Read on. Genesis 8:22... " 'As long as the earth remains, there will be springtime and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, day and night.' "There's a whole lot still to be said, but Jesus will return. And that will mark the end of the earth. (Hey! And that's what the series Left Behind is about. Wow. Jerry Jenkins sure knows what to write books about. =D)
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Post by Toasty4you on May 1, 2007 17:18:28 GMT -5
You remind me of my dad, OddOdd. I think you 2 would be great friends!
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Post by minimcbeef on May 1, 2007 17:47:36 GMT -5
yea.. thats the problems with religions, back then everyone was easily amazed, so if some one did something "amazing" the story will get different and more grand over the years.. and the teachings and thoughts back then are questioned now-a-days with so many conflicting ideas, that people never questioned before. some acts are just imposible and dont make any sense with today's science and technology. for example, take Moses and he plagues on Egypt. I saw it on history channel... first plague river of blood....the Nile flows north right?so south of Egypt is Ethiopeia, rich in red color dirt(resulted from iron) which washes into the Nile in a huge storm. second plague frogs....the frogs ransacked the town but died the next day. the frogs were a result of the foul water, and invaded the town. they died because frog need moisture, and in Egypt, the sun is hell there they shriveld and died third ,fourth plague lice, flies were about because of the dead frogs. the corpses were food for maggots and larvae which hatched and really annoid some peeps. fifth plague cattle death...back to the red water, their was no fresh water for the cows, so they die..the people must have had stored water in wells, jugs, etc. but not enough for the cattle. sixth plague sores...the dead cattle spread disease...easy one seventh hail and fire... the storm to the south moved into Egypt, climate change-hail lighting-fire so you get the picture? i mean religions teach good moral values, but should lead people to kill each other. and everything can be roven logically How about the death of the firstborn sons? Only the firstborn. And it was knats, not flies, which means that maggots couldn't have occured. None of these plagues (excluding the death of the firstborn son) affected the Jews. And the weird darkness for 7 days? Not just a couple minutes, like in Solar Eclipses. DAYS. Please, don't make me go into all the prophicies Jesus fulfilled.
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Post by Balmung Of The Azure Sky on May 1, 2007 18:39:30 GMT -5
Thanks Jim. That's what I was going to say.
And Justin, if you believe everything can be explained by science, just become a scientologist already.
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Post by TheYellowStain on May 1, 2007 18:42:16 GMT -5
uhh.. Scientologists beleive in science FICTION...xenu heheh...
ok fine....I wont talk about it any more....
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on May 1, 2007 19:36:28 GMT -5
Is there scientific evidence of Noah's Ark?
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Post by TheYellowStain on May 1, 2007 19:38:03 GMT -5
I think so...but I cant recall
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Post by Trogdor on May 1, 2007 19:42:00 GMT -5
Oi vey, Mini. We need your help.
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Post by TheYellowStain on May 1, 2007 19:45:44 GMT -5
maybe they over-exaggerated to truly convince people
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