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Post by Gleasonator on Apr 8, 2007 12:13:32 GMT -5
Oh. So we don't have freedom? You mean that if I'm "sinful" it's not my fault because I was programmed to do be that way? Then what's the point of Heaven and Hell?
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Post by odd odd on Apr 8, 2007 12:31:27 GMT -5
Uh, all throughout the Bible. Mostly in Genesis, though, because that's the creation book. God gives humans (both Adam and Eve) the freedom to choose their life. You know, He created everything perfectly, and we ruined His creations. Eve chose to take the fruit from the serpent, and share it with her partner, even after God told them not to eat from the tree. Yeah. Gleasonator is right on this one, to a certain extent. But... In the church, we do say that God seeks people out, but that's more on the "rescuing" manner. And that's a whole topic in itself... Oh. So we don't have freedom? You mean that if I'm "sinful" it's not my fault because I was programmed to do be that way? Then what's the point of Heaven and Hell? You were right, you were right. We were given the freedom to choose what we do in our life, thus making the points of Heaven and Hell apparent.
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Post by Trogdor on Apr 8, 2007 17:09:31 GMT -5
I know why it is there. God gave us 10 commandments to follow and we have to believe in Jesus.
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Post by Gleasonator on Apr 8, 2007 18:28:56 GMT -5
I know why it is there. God gave us 10 commandments to follow and we have to believe in Jesus. As said before, you have a warped view of it all. We don't HAVE to do anything. It's our choice. And I believe that you can completely ignore the Bible, but if you're a good person our "supreme being" who or whatever he may be will return it back to you. That's karma and I'm a strong believer in it.
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Apr 8, 2007 18:34:12 GMT -5
That's karma and I'm a strong believer in it. Haha! Sounds a lot like myself. I believe in karma more then anything right now because it seems to be proving itself.
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Post by odd odd on Apr 8, 2007 18:45:31 GMT -5
And I believe that you can completely ignore the Bible, but if you're a good person our "supreme being" who or whatever he may be will return it back to you. That's karma and I'm a strong believer in it. Ah, karma. You have some good views on the freedoms God gives us, but it stops there. You see, I believe in the Bible strongly. And there are plenty of verses in the Bible that say the only way into Heaven is through Jesus. Which means believing that He died for us, and the whole deal. What would be the point of Jesus's death if it weren't so?
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Apr 8, 2007 18:48:42 GMT -5
What would be the point of Jesus's death if it weren't so? Just a guess, but... To show us that he forgives us for our sins, and that he loves us no matter what?
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Post by odd odd on Apr 8, 2007 19:10:11 GMT -5
What would be the point of Jesus's death if it weren't so? Just a guess, but... To show us that he forgives us for our sins, and that he loves us no matter what? Well, yes, he did come to do that. But would God come down in flesh and blood to say, "I love you so much, that I'm going to die for your sins. Oh, but you don't have to follow me or my word. If you're a good person, I'll let you into my heaven too." According to what I believe, without Him, we'd all be bad people. Sin is in our lives; it's what we choose. How could you be "good"? And what would you relate your "goodness" to? I guess those questions are to the both of you.
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Post by minimcbeef on Apr 8, 2007 19:43:38 GMT -5
Without Jesus, we can be "good people" but we can't really imagine what it's like to actually be perfect. Jesus was perfect. Think about it. Can you even begin to imagine someone who did exactly, to the dot, what somebody said? How about being, perfectly, undeniably, flawlessly perfect in every moral way?
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Post by odd odd on Apr 8, 2007 19:57:19 GMT -5
Without Jesus, we can be "good people" but we can't really imagine what it's like to actually be perfect. I meant that "bad people" comment as relating us to someone, say, of Jesus's manner. People of this Earth (compared to Jesus) are far from living "good."
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Post by Toasty4you on Apr 8, 2007 20:32:37 GMT -5
I can smell a flame war coming on..
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Post by odd odd on Apr 8, 2007 20:48:04 GMT -5
Really? How does it smell?
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Post by Kocrspinal on Apr 9, 2007 15:24:41 GMT -5
I can smell a flame war coming on.. THis has been going on for longer than you think, Austin just set the thread up once again. XD
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Apr 9, 2007 15:49:48 GMT -5
*Puts up flame shield*
Wait... Does this include me?
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Post by Toasty4you on Apr 10, 2007 19:08:09 GMT -5
Really? How does it smell? Like burnt toast~!!!
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Post by Trogdor on Apr 10, 2007 20:11:43 GMT -5
Without Jesus, we can be "good people" but we can't really imagine what it's like to actually be perfect. Jesus was perfect. Think about it. Can you even begin to imagine someone who did exactly, to the dot, what somebody said? How about being, perfectly, undeniably, flawlessly perfect in every moral way? Also for spelling errors! None of those! Can you imagin that Mario?
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Post by MarioOfTheStars on Apr 10, 2007 21:33:00 GMT -5
Without Jesus, we can be "good people" but we can't really imagine what it's like to actually be perfect. Jesus was perfect. Think about it. Can you even begin to imagine someone who did exactly, to the dot, what somebody said? How about being, perfectly, undeniably, flawlessly perfect in every moral way? Also for spelling errors! None of those! Can you imagin that Mario? Imagine* And no.
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